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Tonus
07-14-2009, 07:28 PM
...terror attacks. (http://unama.unmissions.org/Default.aspx?tabid=1741&ctl=Details&mid=1882&ItemID=4672)

This shouldn't come as a surprise, but the disparity in media coverage means that even the people of Afghanistan fear the US military more (http://trueslant.com/pjtobia/2009/07/14/un-insurgents-kill-more-afghans-than-coalition/) than they fear the Taliban attackers, even though the latter have deliberately targeted neighborhoods and schools (98 "incidents" against schools in just one recent seven week period!). They also target organizations that are in Afghanistan specifically to help ease the suffering of the local population.

Some choice snippets...

13 July 2009 - The United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) has spoken out against the use of suicide bombings and other terrorist activities, which it says kills more civilians than any other military action.

The reaction came after last Thursday’s bomb blast in Logar province which killed more than 20 people, including children on their way to school. UNAMA condemned the “barbaric” attack, the latest in a string of violence targeted at aid organizations.

UNICEF has recorded 98 school incidents in the period from 1 May until 24 June 2009, including direct attacks by small arms and rockets, arson, and threats. Ms. Veneman said these attacks “pull the country backwards and threaten the significant advances that have been made in education and child health in recent years.”

Recent violence has also targeted those trying to help the fledgling democracy rebuild. Last month three national staff members of a local non-governmental organization (NGO) were killed when the vehicle they were travelling in was destroyed by a roadside bomb in Jawzjan province. In addition, the office of the UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) in Kunduz was attacked in early June with a rocket-propelled grenade having been fired at the compound.

Even here in Afghanistan, the average man or woman on the street will tell you that airstrikes are their greatest concern.

I was in the park the other day, chatting with Abdul Rahab, a retired police officer. He told me that, “More than the Taliban, I am worried about US bombings over residential areas.”

This man doesn't seem to recognize that US forces have bombed civilian areas mistakenly or due to errors or bad intelligence, and as a result has scaled back operations in certain areas in order to avoid more innocent blooshed. Contrary to this, the Taliban targets civilians, including schools and aid organizations, as a matter of policy. Why bother helping people when you can simply pummel them into submission? The added benefit to them of this attitude is that people will report, photograph, and comment on military action far more openly and readily than they will about terror attacks.

This is an important time for Afghanistan, as they are gearing up for elections in August, and that means that the Taliban is likely to ramp up the attacks and the terror. And the democratically-elected government of Afghanistan must wonder how much help and support they'll get, especially seeing how much of the world has responded to the situations in Iran and Honduras. It might just be a great time to be a repressive fundamentalist murdering scumbag.

Edmaster
07-14-2009, 10:56 PM
There's always collateral damage, even without using bombs and tanks, there's always the chance of a soldier shooting someone who was perceived to be a threat. The fact is it happens. It's a tragedy when it does happen, but to let that control your actions really is a stupid way to wage a war when your enemy is hiding in mosques and using children and women as human shields.

Taking the higher road may seem all well and good, but at what point do you stop and say "enough is enough?"

And I wonder how far that reporter had to scavenge to find an Afghan who preferred terrorist attacks to military action?

Mechwarrior3
07-15-2009, 12:30 AM
I'll be honest, I'm getting sick and tired of the world looking at this country like we're supposed to be the damn Paladin of the party. Like we are supposed to somehow, magically, never end up with the blood of innocents on our hands, especially during war.

Yeah, our government doesn't help with that image but damnit people. War sucks. War is extremely violent. War kills lots of people. Maybe stop blaming the US every time a frickin' civilian is accidentally killed and start turning against those very terrorists that you've all become complacent to live with. Maybe if you stand up to them then maybe you'll actually see some real change.

They only keep blowing themselves up because it works.

::rant off::

Grunthos
07-15-2009, 01:02 AM
Don't want to incur civilian casualties when outside countries start hunting terrorists in your town?

Then don't allow medieval scumbags to take up residence in your country, terrorize your women, subjugate your men, pervert your culture, and then start leaking out into the rest of the world.

Appeasement of barbarians always, ALWAYS, ends up carrying an intolerable price somewhere along the line. It's better to pay that price on your own terms and up front, before you let them bleed you anemic suck you dry and turn you into "victims" and "refugees", and it becomes someone else's job to clean up the garbage.

Because there is nothing more dangerous to be in a war zone, than a powerless refugee.

Diniden
07-15-2009, 07:15 AM
Eh, I still even wonder about calling it a war still...wars in my mind are still even more terrible than what we're seeing now. What this fight on terrorism is, is more like an upgraded police raid, just on a world scale where someone is trying to find the culprits and bring them to justice.

War is when countries or rebels have in one way or another have the backing of their people and form an organized effort to actually take over land. Surprisingly when you put a fight in that light, suddenly it becomes vehemently worse. Death tolls on both opposing armies rise to the tens of thousands in very short periods of time, and you don't have every action the army is taking hindered by the groaning people spitting at your face for fighting for you.

The only real war I can see breaking out potentially soonish would be with North Korea if they decide to stupidly release an A-bomb somewhere. That would turn into the bloody hells of war.

Granted, I won't disagree what the troops are doing right now isn't bloody and frighteningly miserable. But it's just not the grand scale of what a "war" actually is...

I wish I could figure out something to tell those terrorist to make them get their heads screwed on right...but what evils lurk in the hearts of men...

But looking on the side of the civilians over there: they probably don't have as much information as we do. And if I were a civilian there, I'd be insanely frightened about the american bombings myself. Those bombs are big time bad news. Even if you're not in the target zone, just the concussions from those bad boys can blow your ear drums to kingdom come and possibly knock you out. As a civilian I'd just be praying I wasn't anywhere near a target. I'd hate the targets for becoming targets, but I'd also probably wish there was some other way to get the target rather than using what we use to air raid.

Mechwarrior3
07-16-2009, 10:26 PM
But looking on the side of the civilians over there: they probably don't have as much information as we do. And if I were a civilian there, I'd be insanely frightened about the american bombings myself. Those bombs are big time bad news. Even if you're not in the target zone, just the concussions from those bad boys can blow your ear drums to kingdom come and possibly knock you out. As a civilian I'd just be praying I wasn't anywhere near a target. I'd hate the targets for becoming targets, but I'd also probably wish there was some other way to get the target rather than using what we use to air raid.

Good call. I hadn't really thought about it from that perspective. It's a good point.

Grunthos
07-17-2009, 12:28 AM
Excellent perspective on what's actually happening in Afghanistan can be had by googling "Michael Yon" and reading his dispatches.

He's there, and he pulls no punches about what he sees.

Mechwarrior3
07-17-2009, 08:01 PM
Excellent perspective on what's actually happening in Afghanistan can be had by googling "Michael Yon" and reading his dispatches.

He's there, and he pulls no punches about what he sees.

::reads a few posts::

Ooh. Very nifty. Thanks, G. :)